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Delay loudspeaker: delay time

How many milliseconds should the delay speaker be delayed?

Answer: At large events, there are delay speakers out in the audience, so those at the back can hear. The delay speaker must be delayed so its sound arrives at the same time as or slightly after the sound from the main system. Otherwise the audience hears an echo, and the sound seems to come from the delay tower. The calculator works out the travel time from the distance and temperature and adds a little extra allowance.

Formula

Lydens hastighed c = 331,3 + 0,606 × T (T i °C)

Gangtid = afstand / c

Forsinkelse = gangtid + tillæg

The allowance uses the precedence effect: when the main system's sound comes a few milliseconds before, the ear perceives the sound as coming from the scene.

Symbols and units in the formula
SymbolMeaningUnit
afstandDistance from main system to delay loudspeakerm
tempAir temperature°C
tillaegExtra add-on so the main system is heard firstms
fsSample frequency in processor—
=Delay to be setms
=Sound travel time from main facility to delayms
=Sound speed at the temperaturem/s
=Delay in samplessamples

Validity and source

Source
Lydens hastighed c ≈ 331,3 + 0,606 · T m/s · forrangseffekten (Haas) · fagbilag: lydudstyr på avanceret niveau

Does not apply when

  • Measure the distance along the sound path from the main system's speaker to the delay speaker, not from the stage edge. Temperature changes from afternoon to evening, so check again before the show. The addition is a matter of taste within a few milliseconds, and the final choice is made by listening and measuring with an analysis programme.

Worked example

The calculator's own default values inserted. The figures are calculated with exactly the formula the tool uses.

Substituted

  • Distance from main system to delay loudspeaker40 m
  • Air temperature20 °C
  • Extra add-on so the main system is heard first10 ms
  • Sample frequency in processor48,000

Giver

  • Delay to be set126.5 ms
  • Sound travel time from main facility to delay116.5 ms
  • Sound speed at the temperature343.4 m/s
  • Delay in samples6,071 samples

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Sådan bruger du den

Når en udendørs koncert eller en stor sal har delay-højttalere ude blandt publikum, skal de forsinkes, så lyden fra hovedanlægget og delayet kommer samtidig hos publikum. Beregneren regner gangtiden ud fra afstanden og temperaturen og lægger et lille tillæg til, så lyden opleves som kommende fra scenen.

Step by step

  1. Mål afstanden fra hovedanlæggets højttalere til delay-højttaleren med laserafstandsmåler.
  2. Indtast lufttemperaturen. Varm luft giver hurtigere lyd.
  3. Vælg et tillæg på få millisekunder, så hovedanlægget høres først.
  4. Indtast forsinkelsen i processoren, og finjustér ved at lytte og måle.

Typical errors

  • At måle fra scenekanten i stedet for fra hovedanlæggets højttalere.
  • At glemme at temperaturen falder om aftenen.
  • At give delayet for meget tillæg. Over ca. 30 ms kan publikum høre det som ekko.

Examples from everyday life

Delay-tårn på en festivalplads

Et delay-tårn står 40 m fra hovedanlægget en sommereftermiddag ved 20 °C. Du bruger 10 ms tillæg i en processor på 48 kHz.

Distance from main system to delay loudspeaker
40 m
Air temperature
20 °C
Extra add-on so the main system is heard first
10 ms
Sample frequency in processor
48 kHz

It means: Lyden bruger 116.5 ms om at nå delay-tårnet. Indstil forsinkelsen til 126.5 ms, svarende til 6,071 samples.

Kold aften

Om aftenen er det kun 8 °C. Et delay står 60 m fra hovedanlægget, og du bruger 15 ms tillæg.

Distance from main system to delay loudspeaker
60 m
Air temperature
8 °C
Extra add-on so the main system is heard first
15 ms
Sample frequency in processor
48 kHz

It means: Lydens hastighed er faldet til 336.1 m/s, så forsinkelsen skal være 193.5 ms.

Under-balkon-højttalere i et teater

Under balkonen i et teater sidder små højttalere 12 m fra hovedanlægget. Salen er 22 °C, og du bruger 5 ms tillæg.

Distance from main system to delay loudspeaker
12 m
Air temperature
22 °C
Extra add-on so the main system is heard first
5 ms
Sample frequency in processor
48 kHz

It means: Forsinkelsen skal være ca. 39.8 ms.

Rule of thumb

Lyden bruger ca. 3 ms pr. meter. 40 m er ca. 117 ms.

How to check the answer

Mål med et analyseprogram og en mikrofon midt mellem hovedanlæg og delay. Impulssvarene skal ligge, som du har indstillet.